This conversation with the moderators and Brenda Ryan has been sent to us this morning from Pat who is included in this conversation and is a lone voice of sanity amongst the various plots and plans hatched by Brenda to maintain control of her forum. Quite obviously she is prepared to hang on to the forum despite the dishonest tactics and waivering to members rights to privacy, a clear break of her own terms and conditions of the forum. Here is the text unedited of the conversation ans speaks for itself: but bren,no one will believe us whatever we say if it comes out [2/12/2009 17:39:06] AndreaLee says: now, we all know what happened and even if we were kind of shocked at first, it isn't the worst thing ever. i'm not sure how i would have dealt with the same situation so i'll not make a judgment. it can be dealt with if it gets in the open [2/12/2009 17:58:15] locopoco7 says: well its done now Pat, I´m sure we can deal with it as and when necessary
[2/12/2009 17:19:24] Bren says: well they will if i post up and resign pat
[2/12/2009 17:20:26] Pat says: well, there is no reason to think it willever come to that
[2/12/2009 17:20:34] Pat says: but I am with susan
[2/12/2009 17:20:49] Pat says: I thought allthis keeping secrets stuff was over
[2/12/2009 17:21:06] locopoco7 says: back
[2/12/2009 17:21:11] julie says: b
[2/12/2009 17:21:17] julie says: wb
[2/12/2009 17:21:18] Pat says: so it is a bit gutting to discover filipe, janand you were sitting on one that really could finish the forum
[2/12/2009 17:21:36] locopoco7 says: but think back pat
[2/12/2009 17:21:47] locopoco7 says: think how we all trusted jan at the time
[2/12/2009 17:22:00] Pat says: jan didnt force anyone to read pms look, I have wasted a day yet again
[2/12/2009 17:22:21] Pat says: I dont care, this is now
[2/12/2009 17:22:58] Val says: Pat - how do you know "jan didnt force anyone to read pms"??
[2/12/2009 17:23:08] Bren says: pat it has happened, i walked into the middle of it, i was being informed that something was going on and there was a plot to bring the forum down. so utilmately it is my responsibility.
[2/12/2009 17:23:14] locopoco7 says: there is always a now pat and we have all done things we regret in the past too
[2/12/2009 17:23:17] Val says: Why was Jan already in convo with Filipe??
[2/12/2009 17:23:24] Bren says: yes val
[2/12/2009 17:24:15] locopoco7 says: at the end of the day thinking back, what do we know what jan persuaded filipe to do
[2/12/2009 17:24:18] Bren says: it had been going on since 6.45 am when he posted and i did not know until he told me what he had done, fucking hell how was i supposed to say no you are not
[2/12/2009 17:25:33] Pat says: but bren, you knew it was wrong
[2/12/2009 17:25:43] locopoco7 says: remember she told him things she wouldn´t tell anyone else
[2/12/2009 17:25:46] Val says: but Bren can't turn the clock back Pat
[2/12/2009 17:25:49] Pat says: that is what I dont get
[2/12/2009 17:25:55] Bren says: pat i am quitting i can't do no more do you want my fucking blood aswell
[2/12/2009 17:25:56] Val says: it had been done before she got there as pat said i should have stopped it, i didn't so i will now tender my resignation
[2/12/2009 17:32:56] locopoco7 says: my name isn´t jan, it´s eunice
[2/12/2009 17:33:09] julie says: how could you step in it was done
[2/12/2009 17:33:15] Bren says: i will post up what has happened and i will tell members that none of you knew this until today
[2/12/2009 17:33:16] AndreaLee says: bren, you couldn't have stopped it
[2/12/2009 17:33:30] locopoco7 says: you won´t do anything Bren,
[2/12/2009 17:33:30] suze__1 says: we all have should haves could haves, no point in dwelling on them now, only in sorting out the present.
[2/12/2009 17:33:31] Pat says: bren, for gods sake dont post it up
[2/12/2009 17:33:35] AndreaLee says: jan had her nasty little fingers in it
[2/12/2009 17:33:48] Pat says: that is suicide
[2/12/2009 17:39:21] locopoco7 says: oh it can be dealt with
[2/12/2009 17:39:25] Bren says: eunice i am sorry to say this will haunt me forever, this ontop of everything else, well if i was as deceitful i would not have told you all, but it was eating away at me and I spoke to pat who told me to tell you all. which i did.
[2/12/2009 17:39:52] AndreaLee says: don't let it haunt you bren, you MUST forgive yourself
[2/12/2009 17:39:55] Bren says: it is is right what pat said, how can i ever post up we don't read pm's
[2/12/2009 17:40:00] locopoco7 says: Bren our mistakes often haunt us, but they are mistakes, we all make them, every single one of us
[2/12/2009 17:40:07] julie says: because we dont
[2/12/2009 17:40:08] Bren says: it would be lying
[2/12/2009 17:40:47] Pat says: well, can we move on - but is there any other skelton lying around? if there is, can we PLEASE just know about it
[2/12/2009 17:40:49] AndreaLee says: you happened upon that convo. what if you hadn't woken up and been there. you never would have known
[2/12/2009 17:40:54] locopoco7 says: I made a huge mistake keeping quiet about Jan
[2/12/2009 17:41:13] locopoco7 says: and you all know how that worried me for months afterwards
[2/12/2009 17:41:21] Pat says: bren, its not so much the pm business that really gets me, its us being in ignorance for so long
[2/12/2009 17:41:43] locopoco7 says: I knew what was in her mind, I knew what was going on with her and filipe, I said nothing
[2/12/2009 17:41:52] locopoco7 says: and look what my saying nothing led to
[2/12/2009 17:42:08] AndreaLee says: pat, i am being honest here, if i were in bren's shoes and i probably would have been the same way because i would have thought i was protecting ya'll
[2/12/2009 17:42:22] locopoco7 says: yes I think that would go for me too Andrea
[2/12/2009 17:42:41] Pat says: well, I prefer to know the worst, andrea
[2/12/2009 17:42:42] locopoco7 says: sometimes it is so hard to let people know things, even with the best intentions
[2/12/2009 17:43:10] Pat says: that way I know where I stand and what to do about it
[2/12/2009 17:49:56] Val says: Bren - you have done so much for this forum and for that you have my huge respect. Yes, you are entitled to your private life being respected too. We all acknowledge that. I have always trusted you that you didn't read PMs and still do so. Filipe told you he had accessed PMs. You kept this information confdential for the benefit of the forum - and I respect you for that.
[2/12/2009 17:57:41] Pat says: but surely, as bren herself said, it was the keeping quiet that was doing the harm. it wouldnt have mattered that much if we had known months ago, and if it had been an issue we would have dealt with it. instead,it has been ticking away like an unexploded bomb
[2/12/2009 17:57:56] Pat says: just like with eunice and the jan thing
[2/12/2009 17:58:27] Pat says: so if anyone else knows anything ghstly which is liable to blow up in our faces, can they please just say so?
[2/12/2009 17:58:32] Bren says: pat what do you want from me, fucking blood
Firstly, my apologies for muddying the water still further, by muddling the "Justs". Confirming yet again that I am useless at anything involving other ids. I was in a hurry to get the pms out and could only remember one "Just" password; I realised that Bren and co would be watching what everyone was doing in expectation of "flounce" posts from msmarbles and myself. Happily, they were so busy with that, they failed to notice that one of their socks was in pms. The following is further excerpts of online chat between moderators and Brenda that have been sent to me by Bonnybraes1 and I have permission from her to reproduce in full and unedited: [01:16:12] John (jjp) says: I thought we were ignoring the other forums and NOT posting on them or replying to them or giving them anything [01:44:13] Bren says: please can we stop this
Anyway, the latest missive from Admin...no, Bren, you are not anyone's employer. It is the other way round. People have voluntarily given of their time and put their hands in their pockets to keep your forum going, and you have repaid them by treating them with utter contempt and endless, endless lies. Still, if you want to be the boss, so be it. That means you are responsible for all the nasty things that are now coming out.
Bonnybraes1
[01:16:53] John (jjp) says: I thought we had broken contact with them in fact
[01:16:54] Sue (Roisin) says: right - got to be very careful when explaining to conspiracytheorist, confused mod, roisin/sue. :)
[01:17:20] Bren says: they are still blaming laffin and it just those two posts to deny it is laffin that is all
[01:17:35] Sue (Roisin) says: Are you guys going to dig into the comments on that thread or should I just wander down the pages editing both stevo and dcb?
[01:17:49] John (jjp) says: well Bren I thought that ignoring and not giving them anything was the policy now
[01:18:12] Bren says: yes but they are blaming someone else for what we done john
[01:18:16] John (jjp) says: carrying on with this sassy character is in my opinion a bad bad mistake
[01:26:22] John (jjp) says: we have to put an end to this sassy business
[01:26:54] Pat says: the only bit they have got wrong is that it is laffin, when it i actually bren and val
[01:27:35] Val says: no - it's just Val, actually - please get facts right
[01:28:17] Val says: and I've never been nominated for chav of the year before.....
[01:28:27] Pat says: its not funny val
[01:28:32] Val says: so I want all of the glory
[01:28:39] Pat says: is laffin really worth this?
[01:28:45] Val says: to you it isn't Pat
[01:29:17] Val says: it's not about Laffin Pat - it's about 3A, actually
[01:29:47] Pat says: and how is it good for our image that rhodes and chaos are telling the truth and we are lying?
[01:30:02] Val says: but they're not
[01:33:15] Pat says: all I can see is yet more abusive posts to make it clear you are not someone famous for his abusive posts
[01:34:04] Val says: Pat - you see what you want
[01:34:26] John (jjp) says: well my position is clear - I understood sassy had ceased posting earlier and that wasnt the case - I was surprised to see the name again
[01:34:45] Pat says: yes, I thought this wasd behind us too
[01:34:48] John (jjp) says: as I understood our position was now one of ignoring the whole damm lot of them why the hell can you not just leave it alone before something dreadful happens - if it hasnt already?
[01:37:07] Val says: not always John - silence = acquiescence
[01:37:34] John (jjp) says: then acquiesce as it is true and don't keep raising the issue
[01:38:18] Val says: Pat - why don't you just let it drop - you are clearly out of your depth
[01:38:36] John (jjp) says: sorry - that comment is both rude and uncalled for Val
[01:38:49] Pat says: it was indeed
[01:39:12] Val says: in your opinion John - not mine
[01:39:20] John (jjp) says: the matter had been dropped by us all - but sassy has brought it up again by posting - contrary to what I understood was now 3A mods policy
[01:39:23] Pat says: I have spent the evening trying to mod the forum, not trolling gestalts with my foul mouthed creation
[01:39:36] Val says: I've had quite enough of Pat's lip over the last few weeks, thank you
[01:39:55] John (jjp) says: this is getting us nowhere
[01:40:40] Val says: you are quite right John, it isn't
[01:40:49] John (jjp) says: the fact is that I understood that the policy was ignoring other forums and now I find that on behalf of me and other mods Val = you have posted yet again without me knowing anything about it
[01:41:25] John (jjp) says: I cannot continue if I don't know what is going on
[01:43:24] Pat says: this is not about us val
[01:43:29] Val says: that's your opinion John
[01:43:50] Val says: it's certainly not about you Pat
01:43:52] John (jjp) says: actually as a poster without consulting here - only one Val and that has nothing whatsoever to do with this case or others like it
[01:44:10] Pat says: val will you please stop being so rude
[01:44:30] John (jjp) says: well it seems that we have no say Val as you - off your own bat are continuing this nonsense about LA and sassy and the raptor nutter
[01:44:59] Sue (Roisin) says: Val, I think that your comment regarding Pat being "out of her depth" was rude and if you believe any of us are out of our depth it is because there has not been a clear explanation as to why you have been doing this. In my opinion, we can't be expected to agree with your "strategy" based on what little has been explained. It is also possible that I've missed the explanations - or not understood - or disagreed. But your comment to Pat just now was clearly insulting and in my opinion, uncalled for.
